Authors: Howard Megdal
“The plan is to talk about everybody on your list as if we're not going to talk about them again,” Kantrovitz said to open the meeting. “'Cause that might be the case. In St. Louis, we're going to get there and probably line up the top fifty to sixty guys. So, I guess, Ty, Charlie, I would figure, talk in depth about everybody except your top two or three guys. And those, we'll still talk about as well, but just know that we're going to touch on them again in St. Louis.
“So, the other thing I want to talk about before we get goingâall season long, we operate as very close-knit group and we're considerate of each other's feelings. I'm going to go out of my way, over the next week to ten days, to be very inconsiderate of your feelings in the draft room. I think that's how we're going to have the best draft. We're not going to worry about who's getting what player when. We're not going to worry about somebody having to get a player in the draft room. We'll worry about having the best draft for the Cardinals.
“And, Ty, this is worth emphasizing for you. It's your first draft in St. Louis. Those of you that have been in St. Louis for a few drafts know the deal. But because of our process, our system, which is different than every other team, you're going to walk out of that draft room, hopefully, feeling a little uncomfortable with the picks. If it was intuitive or obvious to all of you what our picks should be, how it should go, then we'd be like everybody else and our process wouldn't be helping us at all. The best drafts happen when you guys are a little uncomfortable with what's going on. And that goes for me as well. It's not obvious how we should weigh performance when we take a player. It's not obvious how we should deduct based on some medical issue. Again, if it were obvious, then everybody would be doing the exact same thing.
“So our list is not going to be a direct reflection of my personal pref list. And we might, along the same lines, Ty, take a player that you have a little bit lower on your list thanâand you might be saying, âWell, wait. I've got this guy higher? Why aren't we considering him? Well, it's because we're weighing Joe's report, Jamal's report, my report. The performance, the medical, the mechanics. So it's natural, normal, for you guys to walk out of that draft room being a little uncomfortable and to be a little perturbed, in some cases, with me. My goal is not to appease all of you guys in the draft room. My goal is to have the best draft and use our process as wisely as I can. And again, if we all walk out of there just a little bit uncomfortable, I think we're going to have the best draft.
“So having said that, I want you guys to, again, talk about these guysâI know you guys have spent a lot of time this year traveling, driving, staying at hotels, going to see them. Talk about them. Take whatever time you need. I'm going to play devil's advocate and ask you questions about them. And pretend that we're not going to talk about them again. Because that might be the case.”
No one seemed to mind. As Joe Almaraz put it, “What you said, the key word for me was
you walk out
, 'cause, hey, there's some places you don't get to walk in or out.”
“Most teams don't bring everybody into the draft,” Kantrovitz agreed. “I can't imagine a scenario where you guys aren't all in there. I can't imagine doing the draft without everybody in there, but like Joe said, I think the majority of teams out there bring very few guys in.”
With that, Charlie began to run down his list of players. He'd made a bet with JamalâCharlie's presentation would last no longer than fifty-five minutes. If Charlie lost, he owed Jamal a steak dinner.
Charlie lost. He spoke starting a bit after noon, stopping only for a five-minute break at three, until five fifteen.
The conversation ran along a pair of tracks, and it's vital to understand both to fully comprehend the task at hand in a major league baseball draft room.
One part is what you'd assume: it's how good is this kid. Can he hit for power? What's his time, home to first? Will his arm keep him at shortstop at higher levels? Or for pitchers: What's his fastball look like? How consistent is his velocity? Does he throw strikes later in games?
But that's only part of the equation. The other thing scouts need to determine about the players they like is, to the last possible dollar if possible, just what it's going to take to sign a kid. They need to do this while the players themselves, if they are staying true to amateur rules, do not employ an agent. Not before getting drafted, not before getting signed, because if a player enlists an agent, but fails to come to terms, he'll have forfeited his amateur status.
It's an insane system. It doesn't help the players at all, and many of them get around it by making deals with “advisers,” who are a kind of agent on contingency fee, or flat out hire agents and hope they won't get caught. It might be the only payout they'll ever get from playing baseball. It's the only reasonable thing to do.
For the teams, too, this cloak-and-dagger nonsense is especially problematic since 2012, when Major League Baseball instituted pretty strict slot amounts for each team to pay out in bonuses. Now, a team drafts a player in, say, the third round, only to find out it will cost much more than the team anticipated to sign that player. The team is left with three options: blow through the cap and forfeit a future draft pick; give up on the player and lose that infusion of talent into their system; or sacrifice some other pick made elsewhere in the draft.
So the Cardinals have every scout put a financial value on every playerâwhat the scout believes the Cardinals should spend on him, based solely on talentâand also give as much information as possible on what it will probably cost to get that player.
With every team dealing with their own slot amountsâit varies based on where a team drafts and whether it's forfeited any picks or accumulated extrasâthe sweet spot of the major league draft is the player who not only provides the most value, but does it at the lowest actual cost. Sign a $2 million player for $2 million, and you received value for your money. Not bad! But sign a $1,000 player worth $2 million, and you not only have that $2 million player, but you can go out and spend almost $2 million of your draft pool on other players.
So Charlie Gonzalez had a pref list ninety-three players long. It didn't mean the guy ranked fiftieth was necessarily worse than the forty-nine above him. It meant something more complex: the guy ranked fiftieth, taking both cost and talent into account, was less likely to provide excess value to the Cardinals than the forty-nine players above him.
Here's an example of what I mean, about a player the Cardinals ultimately didn't draft.
“He's the kid that'sâhe's a very questionable bat,” Gonzalez said. “He may run a six-two-five for us tomorrow. He's got a fifty arm. He'll flash you a fifty-five arm. He can catch it in center field. The bat has never really played for me. My feeling is he's going to be a two-year rookie-ball guy. And I would give him a hundred grand and put him out here and just cross our fingers and hope he hits. I would turn him around to the left and hope that works. And let it be. You know, his feeling is, and he's told me, and we've talked. I've talked to his coach. He said, you know, give baseball a few years and see if he can hit, if that works. If not, he can go and he can run and go to school as a track guy. He's got Olympic-class feet.”
But for many players, scouts play well beyond the dual roles of talent evaluator and financial analyst. Psychology comes into play, the way it did for Moises Rodriguez, Matt Slater, and Carlos MartÃnez. Here's an example of another player the Cardinals ultimately stayed away from.
“He's a left-handed pitcher, slash, you know, right fielder. Definitely, the only interest I have in him is a left-handed pitcher. Six feet. About two hundred pounds. Very loose, elastic. We'll get to the baggage first. Get that out of the way. He had issues and attempted an assault with a baseball bat to one of his roommate's girlfriends was in the dorm. Got arrested. Da da, da da, da da. He's had shoulder surgery already years ago.⦠Now, the tools ⦠he's got big raw power. He's super, super strong. Reminds me of a bigger Billy Wagner kind of body. But bigger. He's six feet. Maybe six feet one. I didn't touch him last year. He's been up to ninety-four. Didn't touch him. This year, I watched him. I watched the way he handled himself. I stayed in touch with the coaches. I'm very close with the guys over there. He really minded his p's and q's. He's done a lot better and he's pitched well. We saw him the other day. He probably was hitting ninety, ninety-one. He's got a workable curveball. He's got a changeup. He's the Friday-night guy [for his school] ⦠sixty-nine innings, sixty-two strikeouts, seventeen walks, two point seven RA. Good leftyâand he's got a loose delivery. He's a crazy kid. He also had medication for the ADD type of thing. He's got crazy eyes. But he's a lefty and I wouldn't take him before the tenth round.”
Dan returned to the whole assault thing.
“I mean, one thing we have not done, and I can't see us doing, is sending [player development] projects off the field. I mean, if he's a project on the field, it's one thing. You think that was âHe's a good kid. He made a mistake and he's over it?' Or is there something there?”
“As I found out more about that thing with the baseball bat,” Gonzalez responded, “his roommate was bringing a girl in that wasn't supposed to be in the room, you know, and he was, like, âGet her the hell out of here,' you know?”
“He threatened her with a baseball bat?”
“He lifted a bat. Yeah. Listen, Dan. That's our call what we want to do. Those are the facts. It's not like I pounded the table for this guy. I put him in just because I said, you know what? This arm's too good to just leave off my list. You know?”
Kantrovitz asked Gonzalez flat out, “Would you want to put your name on this guy?”
“Well, let's put it like this. I would leave him as, like, the lowest-priority guy out there. There's been a lot of other guys that are better.”
The world is filled with people who have trouble accurately diagnosing the people they live with every day. It is part of a scout's job to do this about players they see a handful of times. It's usually not as extreme as this case, but this kind of temperature-taking allows scouts to arrive at opinionsâopinions the Cardinals want, need, and are vital to overall scoresâabout a player's ability to thrive in the difficult world of minor league baseball and claw to the top of it.
But there's so much more. There's scouting of family.
“He's six feet six, two hundred, and he's a baby, okay?” Gonzalez said of one pitcher the Cardinals didn't draft. “He's going to put on thirty pounds more. His dad is six feet five, two hundred thirty, you know? And the thing about him I like about the most? He's aggressive. He thinks he can get anybody out. I love that.”
Or: “His mom is in the picture. They're very academic oriented, you know? I think he might come down to two seventy-five or something.”
Even the circumstances and attitudes of some parents were taken into account and committed to memory by Gonzalez, who threw them into the scouting reports to add to the picture: “A blue-collar mom, beer-drinking mom.” “Parents aren't really baseball people, grasping at pitching gurus.” “The mom is gorgeous.”
I also heard the following player comps: Steve Cishek, “the Ron Gant dude,” “Jeff Kentâlooking body,” Hunter Pence, and Gomer Pyle.
About two hours in, Charlie got to Darren Seferina.
“He's a second baseman. Lean, small-bodied kid. Quick twitch. Solid average defender. Has a chance to be an above-average defender. Still a little unpolished. Has a superquick left-handed bat. Short to the ball. Tries to hit balls up in the air a little bit. He's hit a home run here and there. Can't, you know, he's going to learn that. He's also from Curaçao. He's a seventy, at times seventy-five runner.” Eighty is as high as the scale goes, so that means he's really fast. “Three-six on bunts. Four point oh five down the line. Four-two on turns. Really, really good first-to-third. Really like this kid. He's an electric player. I wish he was a little bit bigger, but he's bigger than a lot of guys that play in the big leagues that are probably as big as Omar Vizquel.⦠I like this guy quite a bit. And I think he's going to turn into a really good ballplayer.”
Clearly, the computer showed Kantrovitz something because his response was “Okay, well, I want to spend some time talking about this guy.”
Arango didn't have as much money on Seferina:
“My biggest concern about him, this guy's not very physical. And he can run. He's got good hands. His armâhis double-play turns are not that great. A guy small, to me, has to be physical, you know?⦠This kid has got some authority.⦠Now this guy is a seventy runner. At some pointâI understand that. And he hits his ground balls and line drives here and there. [Another prospect] can drive the ball. Okay? And he's got a plus arm.”
What followed was a colloquy designed to figure out how strong Darren Seferina would eventually become.
DAN: Do you think this guy can drive the gaps?
FERNANDO: He's going to need some more strength. That's the thing, you know?
CHARLIE: Well, I meanâ
JOE: Is he big-boned or is he justâis he big-boned?
FERNANDO: He's just thin. Just thin.
CHARLIE: He's about five feet ten and a half and he's lean. But he's well-leaned muscled and he's young. He's going to get a little bit stronger.
JOE: Does he have a good arm?
CHARLIE: He has plenty of arm for second base. He's a second baseman.
FERNANDO: Forty-five [out of eighty] arm at best.
At this point, Charlie returns to the weaver-of-dreams role, what every scout in that room did at some point: made himself into Don Draper giving the Kodak Carousel pitch.