Authors: Howard Megdal
“I was just in here with Nick Thompson, and he kind of looked over at me and asked, âHow do you even know to ask these questions?'”
In Thompson, Marmol had a particularly perceptive new player. He'd graduated from East Carolina in two and a half yearsâwhile playing varsity baseball. It's a stunning academic accomplishment. He continued playing ball at William and Mary while going for a master's degree.
“And then eventually I would have gone to medical school. So I think the master's is kind of just a segue into professional baseball,” he joked.
Thompson reinforced that there isn't one kind of Cardinals player, but the Cardinals are definitely among the teams who saw his intelligence as a virtue.
“I think there were absolutely some teams that fit both those criteria, that were kind of turned away because I was a good student and were afraid that I would go right back to school after a year or two of professional baseball,” Thompson said. “And then I feel like some organizations, like the Cardinals, who really appreciate professionalism, they were teams that were really interested and kind of made that extra effort to make me a part of their club.”
Thompson knew enough to know he couldn't yet set realistic goals for himself. “Obviously everybody wants to move up every year, you know? Hopefully a step or two every year. So I think my goal for next year would be to be in Peoria at the least. But as far as statistic goals, I don't think I can put my finger on one of those yet. I haven't really faced any of this caliber of player yet.”
If Thompson was circumspect, Daniel Poncedeleon was ready to come out and dominate. He had the mentality Gonzalez describedâit didn't seem to even occur to him that he might struggle out of the gate or need to learn more than some fine-tuning from the Cardinals en route to the major leagues.
“Oh, yeah. He means so much to me,” Poncedeleon said of Gonzalez. “I'm glad there's a guy out there who could see my competitiveness. I just love competing. That's what I thrive on.”
It was obvious why Gonzalez had made sure Poncedeleon was the one pitcher at the combine who faced live hitting.
“It's just so different pitching just a bull pen. It's like kissing your sister, you know? You're not really competing. Like, when I pitch, I like to face batters. I like someone in there that wants to hit the ball so I can strike 'em out.”
The Blue Jays, among other teams, had been in contact with Poncedeleon, but he was hoping it would be the Cardinals, for one reason. I asked him whether any other scouts he'd talked to sounded like Gonzalez.
“No. No. Charlie Gonzalez is some other guy. He's awesome.”Poncedeleon didn't seem to think his trip up the ladder would take all that long.
“I don't know much about the minor leagues. I tried to learn, but it's hard. And I got a few levels to go. You got to go to A-ball, then high-A, then Double-A, and then maybe to the bigs or Triple-A. I mean, it matters. So hopefully, within two years I'm guessing. Well, this year I'll hopefully move up and maybe move up again. Hopefully less than two.”
Nor did Poncedeleon believe the Cardinals would be changing him much.
“No, no. Just throw and get your arm feeling good and get ready for the game. I mean, I don't imagine they have much to tell me anyways. I mean, it's hard to coach, you know, when you just get 'em. They might have a thing or two to tell me.”
Poncedeleon was right about that. Mark DeJohn, the field coordinator, and Tim Leveque, the minor league pitching coordinator, were in the business of collecting information, not disseminating it.
“Just to kind of observe the new players,” DeJohn said as we chatted in the cramped visiting coach's quarters at Bowman Field. “What you're basically trying to see is what the scouts saw in them. And you think back when you first signed yourself. Just how nervous these kids are. So sometimes you'll see some really great things the first few days. And then you might not see it again. You just try to look for those tools. Just things that would get you excited. Things that you can project that would be big league tools. Whatever the scout has said about him, we try to make it fit.”
Even so, the level of familiarity DeJohn, Leveque, and Marmol develop for the players, on and off the field, quickly outstrips what even the best scout can gather.
“In these six days that I'm here watching the team, I'll see them more than that scout has seen them,” DeJohn said. “In maybe two years or so, he might not have seen the kid six times. One of the things that you really kind of want to manage is to see the kid's passion. You know, his determination. How much passion he hasâif he really wants to be a big leaguer. There's a difference between wanting it and really wanting it, you know? They want itâbut sometimes you want something till it doesn't go over well.”
DeJohn and Leveque echoed what Turco saidâplayers need to come to the staff looking for help, especially early on.
“They're instructed to not to even touch hitters for a month, and only then, not unless the guy comes to somebody and says, âHey, I want help,'” DeJohn told me. “Then obviously we help. But we leave them alone to try.
“They got here doing what they did. There's a lot of guys that you don't need to touch. You just leave them alone. And he'll figure things out himself without changing. But if a guy's really struggling, you let them struggle through it. And then if he wants that help, then you're there. When a student is ready, a teacher will appear.
“If the kid hit .350 every year in college, and now he's hitting .210, and you go to him and tell him, âYou need to change,' he's not going to really believe that, you know? He just thinks that âI'm just going through this period.' They're just going through a tough time. And he figuresââI'll be okay.' But they're coming into pro ball. Now you're going to face kids that, on a daily basis, the type of competition that you haven't seen day after day after day. And then you have to remember, I'm not sure of their schedule right now, but when I was managing this league, they played seventy-six games in eighty days. So they have to get used to a schedule.”
For Leveque, the same held true on the pitching side, he told me:
“A lot of it is, like, what DJ said, a lot of it is to observe. Obviously, the scouts saw something in these guys, right? So my job is to just observe them and watch them, see how they go about it. Their pitches. Whatever I would look for in a pitcher. It's a blank slate. I don't know these guys. So I just kind of want to see themâI want to see them in a game. Now, for the guys coming from extended [spring training]âthis is a different environment. They're out there under the lights. They're not in Florida pitching at noon anymore. So a lot of it, too, is just seeing them in a different environment.”
Two of those guys from the back fields who made it to State College were Chris Rivera and Rowan Wick. Rivera would stay for just a few days, before heading to Johnson City to be the regular third baseman, another new position. Wick would have one of the great seasons in recent New YorkâPenn League memory.
“I think maybe just doing what I had to do in practice and in our extended games and not really trying to do too much,” Rivera said. “I think they notice that and they were confident in bringing me up here, and I just want to thank them for giving me the opportunity, and I'm going to take advantage of the opportunity that I was given.”
His first call was to Angelia, his girlfriend.
“I just told her, you knowâshe's always the first person I call for some reason. âI'm going out to State College to start the year.' She was real happy. At the same time, she didn't know what to say, just because she was so happy.”
To be clear, the hands-off approach to changing anyone didn't mean the coaches shied away from the constant communication that is the hallmark of this organization.
So it was with Riveraâhis quick movements with the bat as he prepared in the on-deck circle, eyes always on the pitcher, working to be quick to the ball. But he fell behind 0-1 and popped up chasing a ball out of the zone. Smoky Ortiz talked him through the at bat immediately, as he handed Ortiz his batting gloves and got ready to take his position in the field.
Austin Gomber sat behind the plate, dressed in a blue polo, with another young Cardinals hurler, Ian McKinney, a fifth-rounder back in 2013, and Leveque. There, the instruction began as well. Leveque notes it when a pitcher throws a fastball to the third batter of the inning, after the first two make outs, each on the first pitch.
“Throw a fastball there,” Leveque says, noting the unlikelihood the third batter will follow suit and swing at the first pitch. “It's a free strike.”
Thompson, preparing for his first professional at bat, takes a strong, sweeping swing through the imagined strike zone from the on-deck circle. He stretches, holding the doughnutted bat over his head, feet spread wide. Thompson is meticulous, measured, sweeping some of the warning-track dirt with his feet from the circle before strolling to the plate.
He strikes out looking, and for Leveque, it's another teaching moment.
“I love left-on-left changeups, right-on-right changeups. You know why? Hitters don't see it,” Leveque told his young pitchers. “Look at the numbersâsame-side changeups get offered at like four percent of the time.”
Wick, meanwhile, told me before the game he knew the decision makers were present. It was trueâLaRocque brought cherry fruit snacks for the group. Wick fell behind on a 1-2 pitch, then crushed a nasty pitchâdown and away, with movementâover the center-field fence.
Something similar happened in the ninthâWick fell behind 0-1, hit the next pitch, a slider, well beyond the right-center-field fence. An audible “Whoa” came from LaRocque. Wick registered another 2-homer game in his first four with State College, then a third just over a week later. He set the State College record for most home runs in a monthâand he didn't start playing until June 13.
It was the beginning of a championship season for Marmol, who'd won the 2013 George Kissell Award from the Cardinals. He'd made the decision, like LaRocque, to be a young coach, rather than an old player.
“That's a good way to put it,” Marmol said when I brought up LaRocque's quote. “Sometimes you have to be realistic. I asked myself, was I going to be a big league player for five, ten years? And the answer was no. So I decided it was time to start my career on this side of the fence.”
Corey Baker said that's as much a product of the organization's ethos as it is Marmol's own decision, citing Marmol as one of those who made the jump in 2010. He played under DeJohn. His first hitting coach was Mike Shildt.
“So that [process of] grooming people who [stay] in the organization and become part of the Cardinals is basically visible everywhere you go in the organization,” Baker said.
After coaching under Turco in the GCL, Marmol managed in Johnson City, then came to State College. And he brought George Kissell with him.
“When you're around guys like DJ, and Gary, and Vuch, he comes up a lot,” Marmol said. “It's making sure you are thinking more about the players around you than your own career. You're here for a reason, and that's to develop the next players who are going to help the major league team.
“One thing we try to stress is not only a certain attention to detail, but competitiveness and focus throughout these drills, making them as gamelike as possible. So when they do get in the game, that sense of pressure is familiar to them. Whenever we take an infield, there's a certain amount of pressure behind it.”
Ollie's wife, Amber, arrived during the opening game. They met when they were sixteen and got married when Marmol was twenty-one. Amber travels with Ollie during the season, the way George and Virginia Kissell did for so many years. During the off-season, they live in Jupiter.
“We've been able to experience some pretty neat stuff in some different cities,” Marmol said. “And this organization, there's none like it. I've been entrusted with about thirty men. They've trusted me to develop these guys, and I have a job to do, my staff has a job to do. And I intend to try and do it well.”
The End of the Beginning
In July, Sam Tuivailala got the call to go to Double-A.
It was a surprise to no one. Over his last 28â
innings, he'd walked only 9 battersâhe'd struck out 47. The last 102 plate appearances against him at High-A included just two extrabase hits, both doubles. It was time.
“Well, for many of the players including, in this case, Sam, the process actually starts right after spring training,” LaRocque told me in a July 2014 phone interview. “The players are assignedâin this case, he was assigned to Palm Beach.⦠But if you domino back and you say, âHow did it happen?' It happened because the projection started to turn to performance. Most of these moves areâin the full-season levels, are designed because their projectâplayer's projections start to turn into performance. They move themselves ahead of the level of the league he was at. In Sam's case, that started to occur in May and June.
“Sam experienced a few things in the Florida State League. He experienced for the first time where he pitched back-to-back, meaning two days in a row. He experienced where he pitched multiple innings. Now, as a conversion player coming from third base to the mound, these were all built-in benchmarks that we knew he had to reach for in order to move him up. So one of our goals back in April, a few of our goals, was to accomplish that. He did. He did and we felt very comfortable with how he was then producing. You look at his body of work over three months. Those benchmarks were reached. Clearly, his performance was reached. The combination of itâthe combination of it led right into he needs the opportunity to be challenged at the next level.
“I mean, he was in that period of time with, likeâif I'm correctâhe was in sixteen games, as I see it, during thatâfrom May tenth to July tenth. Let's say two months. He was in sixteen games. And what was interesting was, we have over that time set up aâreally, a focus on, and he's focused on the idea of how to get ahead of hitters. How to throw to the glove and get the ball in the strike zone. Get outs in the strike zone. During that stretch of time, he hit the benchmarks we felt he needed to for throwingâand he's still learning. But for throwing and getting his fastball command in order. And that's a big thing for him and he understands that. So he improved at that. And as we saw that improvement, clearly along with the results, but as we saw the improvement on a variety of benchmarks, one being fastball command, we also recognize that in his performance. I mean, during that stretch of time, it's really something that he struck out forty-seven percent of the hitters. His walk rate was eight percent.”